populationcontrol · Jul 17, 2007, 04:04 PM // 16:04

i disagree i find having max armor at begining of the game an advantage not otherwise, especially if you like doing pvp in ascalon arena (where literally everyone has max droks or 15k max armor and people used to even bring elite spells). im merely suggesting to get droks armor and return to begining level up missions with the advantage of better armor and energy.

besides i know for a fact that most people here get max 15k armor through runs, i dont think getting max armor disadvantages u in any way, in fact it makes it easier to progress

Isileth · Jul 17, 2007, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

i disagree i find having max armor at begining of the game an advantage not otherwise, especially if you like doing pvp in ascalon arena (where literally everyone has max droks or 15k max armor and people used to even bring elite spells). im merely suggesting to get droks armor and return to begining level up missions with the advantage of better armor and energy.

besides i know for a fact that most people here get max 15k armor through runs, i dont think getting max armor disadvantages u in any way, in fact it makes it easier to progress

No one is doubting it gives you an advantage. Infact therein lies the problem. You arent meant to have that high AL at that point in the game, which makes it very easy. You dont learn much when the game is very easy, as even if you play badly you are taking a lot less damage than normal.

Someone who plays through the game normally will come out a better player than someone who skips ahead to make the game easy for themseleves. The droks run is really only useful to those who have already completed the game and dont want to have to play through the campaign again.

Also the first time through the game is always the best, if you cheapen it for yourself its not something you can get back.

populationcontrol · Jul 17, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by Isileth

No one is doubting it gives you an advantage. Infact therein lies the problem.

yeah ok i think having the advantage is the solution that will make the gaming experience more fun as you will die less and invest less in armor that will later be uselss. good players are determined by good skill usage nothing to do with getting max armor.

besides in pvp at least even in ascalon arena having max armor is no longer a luxury but a common standard

Isileth · Jul 17, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32

My point is when you have a huge advantage like that, you can be a bad play and it doesnt show as much. You can run ahead and aggro and not die, you can use bad skills and still take a beating. You dont learn to improve as much as someone who is actually being challenged.

populationcontrol · Jul 17, 2007, 04:57 PM // 16:57

at that point in the game doesnt really matter skillwise, the game will catch up with you as you advance.

Isileth · Jul 17, 2007, 05:06 PM // 17:06

Its a good chunk of the game, and for a new player its right during the time you are starting to form builds and get to understand your role. Obviousely its down to the person in question but its something I would strongly advise against as a new player.

Age · Jul 17, 2007, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

i disagree i find having max armor at begining of the game an advantage not otherwise, especially if you like doing pvp in ascalon arena (where literally everyone has max droks or 15k max armor and people used to even bring elite spells). im merely suggesting to get droks armor and return to begining level up missions with the advantage of better armor and energy.

besides i know for a fact that most people here get max 15k armor through runs, i dont think getting max armor disadvantages u in any way, in fact it makes it easier to progress

Then you are solely relying on your armour to get you through the game instead of skill and not just the ones on your bar.That is what make the difference in good Warrior and a bad one.Those that got Droks armour at lvl 5 will seem invincible forever untill they get hexed or mass conditions put on them while taking damage.The best armour around won't be able to handle that when you have empathy on you at lvl 10 you still take that damage and remember magic damage is armour ignoring.You can have that Droks armour and it won't do you a world of good.

populationcontrol · Jul 18, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30

wars as i understand it are heavily reliant on their armor. frankly i dont hink anyone bothers buying ascalonian armor (slightly better than presearing, not even good agains char). for the missions hes at to reallly have at least decen protection hed need desert or lions armor.

ps. you can also get max armor from collectors, its not as flashy and armor part collectors arent in the same place. must be a trip to get but im sure theres guides on the web.

redant751 · Jul 18, 2007, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Prophecies collectors max armor is a major pain to get ; any one I see with prophecies collectors max armor has my respect. The Items needed are hard to get and some of the locations of the collectors are just insane. I have warrior and Ranger prophecies max collectors armor and I can tell you it was a major chore to get.

Age · Jul 18, 2007, 07:08 PM // 19:08

@ populationcontrol.

Warrior aren't heavily reliant on their armour unless want to sit there and tank which is not effective of being a Warrior.You won't be doing mass amounts of damage only the Ele will.Ascalon armour AL 50 is good enough to beat the game with if you want it.The only reason for Droks armour is that when you ascended you get your maxed out armour and go pvp at the Halls of heroes formerly the Topk.There is nothing wrong with Ascalon armour.You can upgrade at Stingray Stand now and that is the same as Amnoon.

Warriors are more reliant on Monks more so than armour.Castor's can use more armour than Warriors as you have an absorption rune.

Jul 18, 2007, 06:03 PM // 18:03	#29
redant751 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NYC,NY Guild: Gods Special Forces (GSF) Profession: R/E	Prophecies collectors max armor is a major pain to get ; any one I see with prophecies collectors max armor has my respect. The Items needed are hard to get and some of the locations of the collectors are just insane. I have warrior and Ranger prophecies max collectors armor and I can tell you it was a major chore to get. Last edited by redant751; Jul 18, 2007 at 06:21 PM // 18:21..

Jul 17, 2007, 04:04 PM // 16:04	#21
populationcontrol Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: USSR Profession: D/	i disagree i find having max armor at begining of the game an advantage not otherwise, especially if you like doing pvp in ascalon arena (where literally everyone has max droks or 15k max armor and people used to even bring elite spells). im merely suggesting to get droks armor and return to begining level up missions with the advantage of better armor and energy. besides i know for a fact that most people here get max 15k armor through runs, i dont think getting max armor disadvantages u in any way, in fact it makes it easier to progress

Jul 17, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32	#24
Isileth Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2006 Profession: R/W	My point is when you have a huge advantage like that, you can be a bad play and it doesnt show as much. You can run ahead and aggro and not die, you can use bad skills and still take a beating. You dont learn to improve as much as someone who is actually being challenged.

Jul 17, 2007, 04:57 PM // 16:57	#25
populationcontrol Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: USSR Profession: D/	at that point in the game doesnt really matter skillwise, the game will catch up with you as you advance.

Jul 17, 2007, 05:06 PM // 17:06	#26
Isileth Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2006 Profession: R/W	Its a good chunk of the game, and for a new player its right during the time you are starting to form builds and get to understand your role. Obviousely its down to the person in question but its something I would strongly advise against as a new player.

Jul 18, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30	#28
populationcontrol Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: USSR Profession: D/	wars as i understand it are heavily reliant on their armor. frankly i dont hink anyone bothers buying ascalonian armor (slightly better than presearing, not even good agains char). for the missions hes at to reallly have at least decen protection hed need desert or lions armor. ps. you can also get max armor from collectors, its not as flashy and armor part collectors arent in the same place. must be a trip to get but im sure theres guides on the web.

Jul 18, 2007, 07:08 PM // 19:08	#30
Age Hall Hero Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California Canada/BC Guild: STG Administrator Profession: Mo/	@ populationcontrol. Warrior aren't heavily reliant on their armour unless want to sit there and tank which is not effective of being a Warrior.You won't be doing mass amounts of damage only the Ele will.Ascalon armour AL 50 is good enough to beat the game with if you want it.The only reason for Droks armour is that when you ascended you get your maxed out armour and go pvp at the Halls of heroes formerly the Topk.There is nothing wrong with Ascalon armour.You can upgrade at Stingray Stand now and that is the same as Amnoon. Warriors are more reliant on Monks more so than armour.Castor's can use more armour than Warriors as you have an absorption rune.